[hindi_jokes] Re: Re:Healthy discussion...
Dear Mr. Salman I m not discussing with U first of all , u should be aware of that , it was on grp bcoz Mis/Mrs Umaima Rani ji first send it on grp while I was discussing with her in personal.
And If someone will abuse me he will get answer in Same language, but I dot use yet to anyone that languag so just keep ur sword in ur control, and i m able to handle in all type dear so dont warn me, just be logical and factual not go for that what u r thinking or someone else thinking!!! as max will be that I will not answer or block that id who will use abusive words!!
This is especially for Mr. Salman and whoever has objection regarding mine previous mail.
As Mr. Salman said show the proof so I m just giving him a lot of proofs , not just from Hindu writers also from English, British writers and ALSO from their own religion. I hope after reading this everyone will be satisfied and if not , I haven't material time to discuss as I want to discuss people with good manners and have also good knowledge, not just overview.
My name is Rajkrishna verma, Education:BTech (CS &Engg, 04 Batch) , Plus Bachelor of Arts , Pursuing MBA and working as Managing Director.
Always remain in top 5 positions in mine studies mostly at no. one!! While preparing for IAS exams I read a lot of books!!! That's why I can discuss on any topic whether Technical or related to other subjects!! I didn't say that I know all things but I have a very good circle and very cooperative too from them I get all answers.
Now coming to proof
.. But tell me first
What u prefer to urself:::::::: Fazil, Alim or Kabil , Tell me so that I can know u better!!(Only for Mr. Salman).
1. Read Dr. Ashirwadi Lal Srivatava : Medival Indian Culture Page no:4 , para 3rd
Besides this read on same : Jorge Sale's Translated Quran , pg no:172 , Quran 8, 39-40. and pg no:179 , Quran 9, 5, 6
(Which says kill Non Muslims (Hindus or Idol worshippers) immediate after Holy Ramjan but leave if they agree to be Muslims).
One more thing these writers are not just ordinary one they are M.A. , Phd, Double D. Lit , go Lucknow university , Aagra university and confirm it. About Jorge sale I don't know much, but he will be sure famous one.
2. Read Lenpool's : Medival History of India
3. Read Stanleys India
4. Read V.A . Smith's: The oxford History of India
What these writers said about Islam and its teachings, I m not saying what exactly as it will create offense.
5. Read Dr. Ashirwadi Lal Srivatava :Medival History, pg 20, line no 4 from last.
6. Read times- Indian Islam by Tutus
7. Read Philip k. hitty's- the Arab , pg 49, 50, 65, 67, 71
8. Read Dr. Ashirwadi Lal Srivatava : Delhi
9. Read Elliot and Dowson's History of India
10. Read R. P. Tripathi's Some aspects of Muslims.
11. Read Dr. Ashirwadi Lal Srivatava :Medival History, pg 515, line no 3 from second last para.
12. Also read Sir Jadunaath sarkars from Asiatic society (Gold medalist)
13. Read K.C. Srivastava pg no. 912 read 3 rd line from upper, the writer is Reader and his book is authenticated by all universities plus Jaswant singh Negi professor and head university of Allahabad
I think u will find Enough proof by reading these books.
Now coming to Ur
I think U will better know
Malik Ibna Ans (715-795 AD)
Ash shafi (767-820AD),
Ahmed Bin Hanbal (780-855 AD)
And Abu Hanifa (699-766 AD)
These are Four "Bhasyakar" of your religion and founder of four religious opinions which are obeyed by all Muslims.
Now first three clearly said that Be a Muslim else choose death (this is for non Muslims)
But fourth one said that non Muslims can stay alive if they can live like slums and Pay "JAJIYA" almost a religious tax paid for living.
And coming to writers they all
1. Read Minhsa-Us-Siraj's : Tabkate Nasiri
2. Shamsh-e- siraj Afiq's:Tariqhe Firoz shahi
3. Yahia Bin Ahamd Sirhindi's:Tariqhe Mubarak Shahi
4. Qureshi I. Delhi
These all tells about Teachings of Holy Quran what I said , they support .
5. Read Utabi's (Mohd. Ghaznavi's court poet) : Tariqhe yamini
6. Beside these Read Baber's (Humayun's father) own written letters!!
7. Read Zia-Ud-din Barnies book : Trikhe Firoz shahi, he also said bad words to Great famous sufi saint Amir Khusro , who followed some Hindu traditions , he said him Half Kaafir !!!
This is not the end of proofs and not the least
. So better stop here and end this topic as I haven't material time!!!
I Hope all people get and seen that I have enough proof and All the Books which I had mentioned are well known to every IAS/PCS competitors and also in syllabus of many universities and colleges!!!
Salman <dronzer86@yahoo.com> wrote:
and one more thing before coming to such discussion's u should know everything about something u say to prove your word's if u don't have please don't come to such discussion's and say something that u have heard from someone's mouth.i plead u don't type something that may encourage someone to abuse u.if u say something than prove it.
Rajkrishna Verma <rajkrishna_rajkrishna@yahoo.co.in>
Dear Mr. Salman, I am sorry if I hurted u but I read 7-8 booksand also a translated one also!! So I didnt require further reading, and I havent accused ur religion just said what I had read!!
I Hope u will get to understand, I admit that the source can be wrong!!
Salman <dronzer86@yahoo.com> wrote:
Salman <dronzer86@yahoo.
what u said is not true at all.
u might have consulted the wrong person or read somrthing wrong please get yourself a copy of holy quran with translation in a language u understand then read it u will come to know the truth urself. Please read it before critisizing someone's religion because u may say something because u feel it is like that but it may hurt someone a lot.
Rajkrishna Verma <rajkrishna_rajkrishna@yahoo. wrote:co.in> Dear Umaima Rani ji,I liked ur answer very much and almost agree !!Yes No religion says and instructs for such activities.Now I had changed the subject line as u said this is comment.U had given names of some big terrorist groups in other countries thats true but u also admitted that some of them are old also (Hitler , stalin etc ).But these days whether people who are caught in India are almost all muslims and they admit infront of authorities (may be forced or not genuine as u said ) but still all events cant be lie!!!!What u said about Islam is right , but some where something is written offended for "Idol worshippers" like Hindus, and I read in some known books that Holy Quran says that After Ramjan fast killing of "Idol worshippers" is good for muslims!! Please check ur Holy book, it is not just same as Manu in Hindus written that Ramayan and Upnishad cant be heard by SCs and STs and both these are prohibited to enter in temples, but it no where said to kill!!Yes freedom fighters are not terrorist anywhere and same is applicable to all who fights for freedom , but they should kow correctly , but in reality they are misguided, if they are on right track then they have majority, they shouldnt fight from back side??? why their countrymen also scold them for teir freedom , see Pakistan reporter and Kashmir nama!!!and last but not least.... yes Islam is increasing very rapidly no doubt but not just as u think , It is increasing just because very less muslims adopt family planning (real reason) and not because of others are adopting Islam and following its principles!!! (so far as aplicable atleast in India, I cant say for whole world). Hope u didnt find anything offeneded in mine this mail Too!!! As I havent found in your mail !!!!If yes kindly tell me!!!Rajkrishna verma
umaima rani <amu_star@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:In The Name Of Allah..The Most Gracious..The Most Merciful..!!! You forgot to write" Almost No One" was your mistake.well ,I still think it was and is a comment.And yes ..the Most imporatnt of all..neither of us have used abusive language i suppose nor is anyone using bad or filthy words.
I do agree that there are many muslim named terrorists around this globe...but..Islamic teachings do not teach us to do all such things.Islam says to Maintain peace.And how can anyone be so sure that these terrorists are Muslims they may be just named muslims . Islam is derived from the word 'salaam' which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society."Terrorism has most commonly become identified, however, with individuals or groups attempting to destabilize or overthrow existing political institutions. Terrorism has been used by one or both sides in anticolonial conflicts (Ireland and the United Kingdom, Algeria and France, Vietnam and France/United States), in disputes between different national groups over possession of a contested homeland (Palestinians and Israel), in conflicts between different religious denominations (Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland), and in internal conflicts between revolutionary forces and established governments (Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, Iran, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Argentina).Terrorism's public impact has been greatly magnified by the use of modern communications media. Any act of violence is certain to attract television coverage, which brings the event directly into millions of homes and exposes viewers to the terrorists' demands, grievances, or political goals. Modern terrorism differs from that of the past because its victims are frequently innocent civilians who are picked at random or who merely happen into terrorist situations. Many groups of terrorists in Europe hark back to the anarchists of the 19th century in their isolation from the political mainstream and the unrealistic nature of their goals. Lacking a base of popular support, extremists substitute violent acts for legitimate political activities. Such acts include kidnappings, assassinations, skyjackings, bombings, and hijackings.The Baader-Meinhof gang of West Germany, the Japanese Red Army, Italy's Red Brigades, the Puerto Rican FALN, the Shining Path of Peru, and France's Direct Action were among the most prominent terrorist groups of the later 20th century."What about the terrorists attacks before the year 2000.What about Adolf Hitler,Joseph Stalin who altogether killed more than 90 million people on the whole.????What community did they belong to..?????The Attacks you talk about are only the ones which took place after the year 2000, and may be..altogether so many muslims would have killed as many as 90,000 people.So..Is'nt Hitler A Terrorist.?? ???? But if people think he is NOT a terrorist, then ..what do you call the people who fought for India(freedom fighters).The British Government called them TERRORISTS..but the Indians who felt it was for self defence called themselves as FREEDOM FIGHTERS. Last but Not the Least..NO ONE CAN DENY THE ULTIMATE FACT THAT ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION ON THE PLANET.I too hope no one found anything offended in this mail of mine.And i hope evry1 understood what m trying to say.
Rajkrishna Verma <rajkrishna_rajkrishna@yahoo. wrote:co.in> Dear Umaima Rani ji,Yes I admit that is is "Shariyat" ,actually it is mistyped not misspelled!!! Yes no one has right to spread misconcept, I had read also about ur religion and yet u knwo more than me!!!Again u r right that "No one can......" I forget to write "Almost No one..." !!!And waht u feel is that comment then , I m sorry but I dont think so!!! as it does not say anything just imphasie on the msg so that one read , not just ignore!!Recently, One Mr.Asif , has mailed me saying Mean words and I didnt replied him because he havent manners!!! and havent enough maturity to think above than his bounded limits!!If u want to say ur opinions just say in kealthy words not in abusive ones, m i right?Last one U said why people target ur religion( whether POP Jhaun , Indian writers LP sharma, Ak srivastava and a lot etc ) , then I just want to ask that two things:1:Where u find most killings, bom blasts generally per day almost (Iraq, Iran , Arab is clean one, Indonesia (most curropt country), Bangladesh (no peace), Pakistaan(No peace), Afganistan.2: Which community is behind more than 60% of big terrorist activities(See in India or in America or in their own countries (Due to Shiya Sunny), a lot of terrorsit group are owned by which community??I hope u dont mind but U can see this in all over the world not from any person only but almost all world accept this but dont want to hurt anyones feeelings!!Hope u didnt find anything offeneded in mine this mail Too!!! If yes kindly tell me!!!Rajkrishna verma
umaima rani <amu_star@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:In The Name Of Allah..The Most Gracious ..The Most Merciful..!!First n foremost..there'a a spelling mistake..its Shariyat(Shariyah) ..I obviously have much knowledge about my Religion..so. .the people who dont have that..are not supposed to spread misconceptions about it. Secondly..there are certain prohibitions in Islam..which have logical reasons...and there are people who do follow it fully..it cannot b said that "No one can follow it fully!"Since you know its the same in other religions too...then..why target only one Religion??There are certain prohibitons in other religions..which people DO NOT FOLLOW AT ALL..We(Muslims) atleast try to follow .
"Every Muslim should be a terrorist" ........
> Point of view of Dr.Zakir Naik
> ....also says, "The killing of Non-Muslim is
> legitimate".
>
> Just don't read this time....just watch...his
> lesson to Muslim" ...Well...This was no less than a comment..!!
Rajkrishna Verma <rajkrishna_rajkrishna@yahoo. wrote:co.in> Dear Umaima Rani ji,U now better about ur religion and Holy Quran, but what I had read yet , is Ur Holy Book says Follow "Sharyita", Dont take interest on lending money and Dont drink (Madyapan) and prohibit on listening Music and Dance!!But I think No one can follow it fully!!!!I havent any dispute over What ur Holy book says, as the sayings were Legitimate at that time and Now the time is changed so all sayings cant be followed , same in every Religion!!! all things cant be followed after certain long time!!I just forwarded the message, and written nothing means NO COMMENTS!!!Hope u didnt find anything offeneded in mine this mail Too!!! If yes kindly tell me!!!Rajkrishna verma
umaima rani <amu_star@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:PLEASE DO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE CONTEXT.Bismillah,This phrase " Every Muslim Should Be A Terrorist " is not the complete sentence what Dr Zakir Naik actually spoke . What he speaks before and after this phrase has been avoided . He say's : " Be a terrorist to the evil doers " , he gives an instance " When a robber see's a police man he is terrified , so for the robber the police man is a terrorist " . In this very context he mentions the phrase " Every Muslim Should Be A terrorist " . According to him the evil doers should be terrorised by seeing a muslim.The other phrase mentioned "The Killing of Non-Muslim is legitimate " . The same goes with this phrase , it is out of context . This is a verse taken from the Holy Qur'an which Says :"11. But if they repent, perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give Zakât, then they are your brethren in religion. (In this way) We explain the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for a people who know.
12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish - pagans of Makkah) - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions).
13. Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allâh has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
14. Fight against them so that Allâh will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people "( Ch - 9, Verses - 11,12,13,14). This is the correct context what Dr Zakir Naik had presented .This was his actual message to the Muslims. The person in the link is not Dr Zakir Naik .I request the people to understand the actual concept , and only then go forward to spread such delicate matters. And not to spread any misconceptions about the Religion Of PEACE - Islam .May Allah Bless You All!For more reference Visit : www.irf.nethttp://www.youtube.com/results? search_query= dr+zakir+ naik
Rajkrishna Verma <rajkrishna_rajkrishna@yahoo. wrote:co.in> Dear Mamatha!!! I had paased this to all my contacts which are regulary in contact!!! Thanks To U!!!
"»-(¯`v´¯)-» Mamatha" <collagegirl_mamatha@yahoo. wrote:co.in> Dear All,"Every Muslim should be a terrorist" ........Point of view of Dr.Zakir Naik....also says, "The killing of Non-Muslim is legitimate".Just don't read this time....just watch...his lesson to MuslimVisit this link...urgently
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